NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad
[ NNSquad ] Re: Subject: Re: [IP] "Entry level pricing"
"I like to watch Congressional hearings live. Over AT&T's allegedly 3Mbps DSL downlink they come in choppily, with frequent pauses and voice-video mismatch." I think you are grossly exaggerating here. Even YouTube 2.25 Mbps 720P streams come in perfectly for me on my 3 Mbps sync rate connection which works out to about 2.5 Mbps raw data speeds. Most of the government streams are well under 1 Mbps and they're usually buffered. If you are experiencing choppy video, it's probably something else because I stream stuff from the FCC hearings all the time with no problems. Uploading 110 videos falls under the category of content production and that's not usually what business users need. I don't even know many content producers who upload 100 videos a day and it would be hard for me to believe that you upload this many on a frequent basis. It would take some time just to amass that amount of material. -----Original Message----- From: jsq@internetperils.com [mailto:jsq@internetperils.com] On Behalf Of John S. Quarterman Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:39 AM To: George Ou Cc: John S. Quarterman; 'Robert J Berger'; 'Declan McCullagh'; 'Shannon McElyea'; nnsquad@nnsquad.org Subject: Re: [ NNSquad ] Re: Subject: Re: [IP] "Entry level pricing" > "We can't even use that to do remote work on our computers at work and the > overall thruput is severely limited by the ridiculously low upstream > bandwidth." > > Just out of curiosity, what kind of work do you do that requires more than 3 > Mbps? Well, I don't know what anyone else does, but I'm currently trying to upload 110 brief videos of a political meeting to YouTube. At 256Kbps up, that's taking a loooooooong time (days). I also have half a dozen cameras recording wildlife views every minute. Over my local network I can see them all and review every frame quickly every day. If I'm travelling, not so much. I like to watch Congressional hearings live. Over AT&T's allegedly 3Mbps DSL downlink they come in choppily, with frequent pauses and voice-video mismatch. I'm coordinating a research project with participants in three different states. We use Skype, which mostly works, but it would be nice to also have interactive group video for some of the discussions, for expressions and show-and-tell. I suspect this is a common situation in business, as well. > I know plenty of offices with 50 people all sharing a single 1.554 > Mbps T1 line. Well designed remote productivity applications are designed > to work at 0.028 Mbps modem speeds and you can use Citrix and RDP on > dial-up. I've got 3 Mbps at home and the only thing that's annoying is > trying to download larger video files but it does work. Posting 10 Mbps HD > content onto YouTube so they can encode a good 2.25 Mbps version is much > slower than I like but it does work. If you do them one at a time and you have no deadlines.... Meanwhile, in countries that have ISP competition, esp. for the first mile, 30Mbps and up speeds are available to everybody, for prices similar to what we pay for speeds that hardly work. Someone else asked: > If its this bad in Silicon Valley, what is it like 20 miles out of > most third tier cities in the US? That would be me. I'm lucky to get 3Mbps here, due to an accident of distance; none of my neighbors do; one gets 1Mbps; the others get dialup. And you may think, just go into town, have lunch at a place with wireless, and upload. Heh. They have 3Mbps DSL (256K up), too. -jsq