NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad
[ NNSquad ] Re: H.R. 3458, Rep. Markey's third bill proposing to regulate the Internet and ISPs
On 08/24 14:56, Richard Bennett wrote: > I dare you to post this to NNSquad. Richard, I don't take dares, but I would have posted your note anyway. However, to save time, I'll annotate as we go ... On 08/24 14:56, Richard Bennett wrote: > Gee, Lauren, that's a fairly weak analysis. Instead of addressing any of my > points, you simply play the ad hom card against not only me but the ITIF, > the organization I've been with for two whole months now. People who've been > following this debate know that my objections to broad-brush, feel-good > regulation are primarily technical, and not in any way related to my > opinions on Obamacare, global warming, gay marriage, or anything else. I'm > in favor of the public option, by the way. I note that you didn't address what I actually mentioned, which was your translating into a "P2P mandate" the quite reasonable requirement for adequate bandwidth to and from *legal* user applications, but hey, what the hell, we can let that pass for now. > The Internet is an unfinished demo that needs a lot more work before it can > serve the needs of civil society and the 21st century citizen. Good network > engineers know this, and it's been said on this list several times by Bob > Frankston. It also needs a lot of investment in the US to bring it up to the > top global standard. ITIF and I have both criticized the state of broadband > feeds and speeds in the US compared to the best global alterntives. See our > report on Explaining International Broadband Leadership for the facts: > http://www.itif.org/index.php?id=142 Unfinished demo, eh? Seems like there's a slap in the face to a whole lot of network engineers and entrepreneurs in that statement. But since you invoked Bob, I invite him publicly to explain whether his vision of how the Internet should look (which I believe I understand pretty well and in many ways I agree with in theory) is anything like the sort of vision you've outlined in the past. I also invite interested readers to explore the ITIF Web site ( http://www.itif.org/ -- [free publicity!]) and draw their own conclusions about the orientations of the organization. > So here's the deal Lauren: if you want to do the ad hom thing, get your > facts right; but it's best if you deal with the substantial issues in the > debate instead of slinging mud. If any mud was slinging, it was landing on Markey, and not by my hand. I think that his Internet legislation is a great idea. I wish I could vote for him. But I'm sure that the good Congressman can take care of himself without my assistance. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@vortex.com Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, GCTIP - Global Coalition for Transparent Internet Performance - http://www.gctip.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/laurenweinstein - - - > -----Original Message----- > From: Lauren Weinstein [mailto:lauren@vortex.com] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:03 PM > To: nnsquad@nnsquad.org > Subject: [ NNSquad ] Re: H.R. 3458,Rep. Markey's third bill proposing to > regulate the Internet and ISPs > > > Greetings. I must admit that I am mystified regarding the message forwarded > below. I know that Seth is not a big fan of P2P. But it's beyond even my > imagination how he can find a problem in wording that supports the > provisioning of adequate bandwidth for *legal* Internet services to and from > users. > > Major ISPs *have* been increasing upstream bandwidth. Time Warner around > here in L.A., without any fanfare at all (and I think some fanfare would > have been in order), doubled max upstream rates to 2Mb within the last > couple of weeks. > > On the other hand, with so many ISPs implementing port blocking and > non-traffic-sensitive anti-server restrictions in their TOS that are > technically unjustifiable, that upstream bandwidth is frequently hobbled > from the word go. > > By the way, regarding Richard Bennett's predictable blast at Markey's latest > effort to reign in ISP abuses: > > http://www.internetevolution.com/document.asp?doc_id=180730 > > I can't resist noting the interesting aspects of ITIF for whom he's a > research fellow. > > Not only does ITIF generally seem opposed to Internet regulation, but their > policy papers tend to play down the value that increased genuine competition > would have in the ISP marketplace, and seem to suggest that we really don't > have it so bad after all. > > Sounds a lot like the kinds of arguments that the health insurance industry > has been selling to Congress. > > It's a wonderful world! You have it great! Now shut up, take what we deem > fit to provide, and pay us! > > --Lauren-- > Lauren Weinstein > lauren@vortex.com > Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 > http://www.pfir.org/lauren > Co-Founder, PFIR > - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, > NNSquad > - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, GCTIP - > Global Coalition > for Transparent Internet Performance - http://www.gctip.org Founder, > PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and > Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com > Twitter: https://twitter.com/laurenweinstein > > > - - - > > On 08/24 12:58, David Farber wrote: > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > From: Seth Finkelstein <sethf@sethf.com> > > Date: August 24, 2009 12:11:38 PM EDT > > To: David Farber <dave@farber.net> > > Cc: ip <ip@v2.listbox.com> > > Subject: Re: [IP] H.R. 3458, Rep. Markey's third bill proposing to > > regulate the Internet and ISPs. > > > >> http://www.freepress.net/files/H.R.3458-7-31-09.pdf > > > > Note page 10 seems to contain a P2P support *mandate*!!!: > > > > "(g) OTHER SERVICES.--Not later than 180 days > > after the date of enactment of the Internet Freedom Pres- > > ervation Act of 2009, the Commission shall complete all > > actions necessary to-- > > "(1) promote an ever-increasing level of Inter- > > net access service to end users; > > "(2) ensure that such evolving level of service > > provided to end users is capable of supporting lawful > > content, applications, and services and provides > > ample bandwidth for such traffic to and from an end user; > > > > Also relevant is the press release: > > > > http://markey.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3763 > > &Itemid=141 > > > > July 31, 2009: REPS. MARKEY, ESHOO INTRODUCE BILL TO PRESERVE FREE AND > > OPEN INTERNET > > > > Washington, D.C. ... Reps. Edward J. Markey (D-MA) and Anna G. Eshoo > > (D-CA) introduced a bill today that will establish overarching > > national broadband policy and ensures an open and consumer oriented > > Internet. > > > > "The Internet is a success today because it was open to everyone with > > an idea," said Rep. Markey. "That openness and freedom has been at > > risk since the Supreme Court decision in Brand X. This bill will > > protect consumers and content providers because it will restore the > > guarantee that one does not have to ask permission to innovate." > > "The Internet has thrived and revolutionized business and the economy > > precisely because it started as an open technology," Rep. Eshoo said. > > "This bill will ensure that the non-discriminatory framework that > > allows the Internet to thrive and competition on the Web to flourish > > is preserved at a time when our economy needs it the most." > > > > H.R. 3458, the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, is designed to > > assess and promote Internet freedom for consumers and content > > providers. The bill will also require the FCC to examine whether > > carriers are blocking access to lawful content, applications, or > > services. The legislation calls for the FCC to conduct eight public > > broadband summits around the country no less than a year after the > > bill is enacted. These summits will be used to gather input from > > consumers, small business owners, entrepreneurs, and other > > stakeholders on Internet freedom and U.S. broadband policies affecting > > consumer protection, competition, and consumer choice. > > ... > > A full text of the bill can be found here: > > http://markey.house.gov/images/PDFs/netneutralitybill.pdf > > > > > > -- > > Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer http://sethf.com Infothought > > blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/ > > Interview: http://sethf.com/essays/major/greplaw-interview.php > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now > > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > ----- End forwarded message ----- >