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[ NNSquad ] Re: Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband plan
My experience seems to be backed up by 2007 data from OFCOM. US broadband
providers are the closest to advertised speeds.
As for Cable speeds, it can vary at different times of the day but I think
people come close for the most part and most speed samples would confirm
this. For Comcast, if you saturate most of your connection (I think 70% was
the number) for 15 minutes at a time, you get deprioritized against other
customers for the next 15 minutes which is very fair. This allows other
customers who have more normal usage patterns get their full advertised
speed. To really get better data, I'd like to see people run some one-week
long passive tests.
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/03/fcc-should-consider-passive-network-mo
nitoring/
DSL distance issues generally limit the availability of higher service
tiers. US Telcos are pretty good about not selling you a service you can't
sync at because of distance. There are occasional cases where the line
quality can degrade such that the customer can't get their advertised sync
speeds but those customers can get their money back and either get the Telco
to fix the line or offer a lower speed tier at less cost. With FTTN
architecture, the distance issues have been engineered away though AT&T
still only offers the lower common denominator for everyone even though some
of their customers can sync at 100 Mbps over a single copper pair when
they're at 400 meters or less. Newer technology
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2010/04/telephone-wire-still-good-for-100-300-
mbps/ might bring 100 Mbps to people 1000 meters away though.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Tennant [mailto:gtennant@luminositycommunications.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 5:46 PM
To: George Ou; 'Lauren Weinstein'; nnsquad@nnsquad.org
Subject: re: [ NNSquad ] Re: Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband
plan
Are you serious about everyone getting their advertised speeds?
I am in the mix of this with hundreds of customers a day, and I find that
not to be true at all.
Start with the basics of the cable system construct and the speeds you
receive vary by time of day and day of week. Some can be very consistent,
for a while, until they add multiple other customers on the pooled
connections. DSL can have ample issues regarding distance from the CO,
condition of copper lines and grade of modem. FIOS would be simply the most
consistent, it is a great service, but limited in availability. The
majority of customers can select between Cable and DSL or wireless, which is
widely inconsistent.
You make a very blanket statement that seems in the defense of large
bandwidth providers. I have nothing against them (other then their
infuriating customer service), but from a practical perspective, consistency
would not be an adjective that could be used in the same sentence.
Thank you,
Greg Tennant
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---------- Original Message ----------
FROM: "George Ou" <george_ou@lanarchitect.net>
TO: "'Lauren Weinstein'" <lauren@vortex.com>, <nnsquad@nnsquad.org>
DATE: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:32:34 -0700
SUBJECT: [ NNSquad ] Re: Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband
plan
I would really challenge you to produce some speedtest.net results that show
you getting half your advertised speeds in any of the major US ISPs. Every
person I've ever known in the US that's ever tested consistently gets close
to their advertised speeds provided they haven't contaminated their results
by simultaneously downloading other stuff on their broadband connection
while testing.
My experience is very consistent with Ofcom data:
http://www.techpolicyinstitute.org/files/wallsten_international_broadband_co
mparisons.pdf
(Figure 10 page 27).
George Ou
[ George, with considerable self-restraint, I'll put this as
politely as possible. Comments like the one you make above
implicitly assume that anyone (with data that doesn't match your
own, or who disagrees with your associated world view, or who in
your "humble" opinion naturally can't compare to your utterly
*vast* and *enormous* technical competency) -- must be either an
incompetent fool or a scheming liar.
It's that sort of attitude that causes so many consumers and
non-ISP-affiliated observers to so deeply doubt the veracity of
various data and protestations of the large, dominant ISPs and
their sundry minions.
-- Lauren Weinstein
NNSquad Moderator ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: nnsquad-bounces+george_ou=lanarchitect.net@nnsquad.org
[mailto:nnsquad-bounces+george_ou=lanarchitect.net@nnsquad.org] On Behalf Of
George Ou
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:45 PM
To: 'Lauren Weinstein'; nnsquad@nnsquad.org
Subject: [ NNSquad ] Re: Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband
plan
All depends on how you define "adequate". Do you set it at 100 Mbps
minimum? Is that advertised speeds like in Japan where they typically
promise 100 but deliver close to half, or is it more the other end of the
spectrum in the US where they advertise 50 and actually deliver close to 50?
You can define adequate such that we might only have 5% compliance. On the
other hand if we define adequate as being able to use nearly 100% of the
applications on the Internet with reasonable results, then I would suspect
that the 95% statistic is fairly accurate.
George
[ As long as we're exploring the meaning of "adequate" -- let's
also ponder what the word "reasonable" means. I have a cable
circuit here that generally runs at well less than 50% of the
"up to" speed that is constantly being advertised. Does that
qualify as "reasonable results"?
-- Lauren Weinstein
NNSquad Moderator ]
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Subject: [ NNSquad ] Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband plan
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From: dewayne@warpspeed.com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: April 21, 2010 4:15:53 PM EDT
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Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband plan
Free Press: FCC used 'flawed data' in broadband plan
The Hill
By Kim Hart
Despite years of Congressional pleas for better broadband data, the FCC's
National Broadband Plan is based on flawed information and incorrect
assumptions, public interest group Free Press told lawmakers Wednesday.
Derek Turner, research director for Free Press, said the FCC has overstated
the availability of broadband availability around the country, using figures
that are not sufficient for long-term policymaking. In his testimony before
the House technology subcommittee, Turner said he doubts the FCC's claim
that 95 percent of U.S. households have access to broadband facilities
capable of delivering adequate speeds.
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