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[ NNSquad ] Re: AT&T Asks FCC to Kill Conventional (POTS) Phone Service]


----- Forwarded message from Dave Farber <dave@farber.net> -----

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:20:40 -0500
From: Dave Farber <dave@farber.net>
Subject: [IP] Re: [BarryDGold@ca.rr.com: Re: AT&T Asks FCC to Kill
	Conventional (POTS) Phone Service]
Reply-To: dave@farber.net
To: ip <ip@v2.listbox.com>





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> From: Bob Frankston <bob2-39@bobf.frankston.com>
> Date: December 31, 2009 7:48:01 PM EST
> To: dave@farber.net, 'ip' <ip@v2.listbox.com>
> Cc: nnsquad@nnsquad.org
> Subject: RE: [IP] Re: [BarryDGold@ca.rr.com: Re: AT&T Asks FCC to Kill 
> Conventional (POTS) Phone Service]
>

> I’m confused – the PSTN failed spectacularly on 9/11 and it took hordes 
> of splicers a full week to open up the New York Stock Exchange! It’s a 
> brittle expense dinosaur.
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>
> If there are perceived problems with using IP then fix them—let’s not 
> maintain myths about the security of the PSTN (even if 2400hz has been 
> patched) or that it even exists as much of the traffic is over IP or 
> other transports. And do you really mean POTS – analog telephony 
> unencrypted via exposed wires through exposed patch panels? How could it 
> be less secure than encrypted VoIP?
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>
> If anything we should welcome the opportunity to get back the raw  
> copper so we can use it as infrastructure instead of 19th century  
> telephone lines.
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> From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave@farber.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 18:19
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] Re: [BarryDGold@ca.rr.com: Re: AT&T Asks FCC to Kill  
> Conventional (POTS) Phone Service]
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org>
> Date: December 31, 2009 4:27:25 PM EST
> To: Bob Poortinga <nnsquad@k9sql.us>
> Cc: nnsquad@nnsquad.org
> Subject: [ NNSquad ] Re: [BarryDGold@ca.rr.com: Re: AT&T Asks FCC to  
> Kill Conventional (POTS) Phone Service]
>
> POTS is more secure then IP. Getting rid of POTS puts the government of 
> the United States in a very vulnerable position with respect to  
> national security. POTS is the only reliable service for national  
> emergencies.
>
> This scenario makes a perfect movie script. FCC and USG give in to AT&T 
> pressure. United States goes from POTS to IP. Then China cripples the IP 
> infrastructure in a cyberwar attack and invades the US of A and builds 
> condos to solve overpopulation problem in China.
>
> People - the Internet was an interesting experiment - but we should not 
> have to be dependent on Internet infrastructure which governments barely 
> understand nor are any of those same governments in a position to 
> protect IP infrastructure. This would be a security nightmare if it 
> every happened. I'm sure some expert inside or outside government will 
> figure this out and take appropriate action to make sure it does not 
> happen.
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Bob Poortinga <nnsquad@k9sql.us>  
> wrote:
>
> >> AT&T Asks FCC to Kill Conventional (POTS) Phone Service
> >>
> >> http://bit.ly/6HP5r3  (GigaOM)
>
> I would just like to point that there are millions of devices out
> there which depend on POTS service to work properly.  Items such as
> security systems, postage meters, remote sensors, and, yes, even FAX
> machines either work poorly or do no work at all on VOIP (even G.711)
> systems.  Replacing all these devices with VOIP compatible workalikes
> (if they are even available) would be costly and time consuming.
>
> My employer uses an unregulated VOIP service from AT&T (IP Flexible
> Reach which uses G.729) in some of our offices, but we still have to
> maintain POTS lines for our FAX machines, security systems, and
> STU-III phones <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STU-III>.
>
>   [ Converter boxes to handle the basic interface issues would likely
>     be available, but how cost effective these would be for most
>     consumer POTS equipment (vs. buying all new phones, etc.) is
>     another matter.  As the underlying backbone voice networks move
>     toward VoIP (whether on the public Internet or private telco
>     intranets), issues like FAX compatibility may get more complex --
>     even if you have an analog access line.  I frequently hear
>     complaints about FAX being unusable over some existng VoIP
>     systems.  I can certainly imagine that STU-III in its current
>     form might also have similar issues.  I can't test that though,
>     since I don't have an STU-III handy -- I'm still stuck with
>     (FO-F-I-P) AUTOVON.  That's a joke, son, a joke!
>
>       -- Lauren Weinstein
>          NNSquad Moderator ]
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> --
> Bob Poortinga  K9SQL
> Bloomington, IN  US
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> -- 
> Joe Baptista
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